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08-28-2008, 12:40 AM
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Without either the first or second amendment, we would have no liberty; the first allows us to find out what's happening, the second allows us to do something about it! The second will be taken away first, followed by the first and then the rest of our freedoms. -- Andrew Ford 
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08-28-2008, 12:55 AM
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08-28-2008, 11:57 AM
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Hutchens isn't "following the law". The other counties like Kern and San Bernardino attest to that. She's following her opinion -- her opinion that OC residents (just like LA residents) aren't as trustworthy as their brethren in those other counties.
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08-30-2008, 11:43 AM
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Need for CCW in OC
Maybe articles like this will remind her that the BG don't seem to have a problem carrying guns even if she doesn't want the Good guys to carry
 ...Thursday, August 28, 2008 Robber blocks man's car at ATM, demands money Man with tattoo on his neck holds gun on customer who had withdrawn cash, officials say. By SALVADOR HERNANDEZ The Orange County Register ALISO VIEJO – An armed robber with a tattoo on his neck blocked in a man withdrawing cash from an ATM and took his cash at gunpoint late Wednesday night, authorities said. The robbery occurred near Aliso Creek Road and Pacific Park Drive, said Lt. Larry Abbott of the Orange County Sheriff's Department. A man drove up to a Washington Mutual ATM to withdraw cash at 11:05 p.m., Abbott said. The man said the robber drove up in a Toyota Corolla and stopped behind his car, blocking his vehicle in. The driver of the Toyota got out of the car and took out a gun as he demanded the other man's money. He drove away with an undisclosed amount of cash, Abbott said. The victim was not able to write down the license plate of the car, but the plates might be from out of the state, he said.
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We all have the ability to choose our attitude that we will set forth each day with- be positive, be grateful, cherish your family! Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907. "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag.... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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08-30-2008, 11:53 AM
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WOW....wonder what the response time was. Sheriff station is literally less than 1 min away from that bank. Glad no one was hurt!
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CalCCW Resident PUNK My Other Car is a Kahr! 
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08-31-2008, 01:33 AM
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I would like to know the number of judges and prosecutors that have been "assuaulted" and have needed to defend themseles, as oposed to the number of "average Joes" like the guy in Aliso Viejo .... I think the "average Joes" have been assaulted more often than the prosecutors, and judges, but it has never been about logic or rights..... just power.
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08-31-2008, 06:39 PM
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09-06-2008, 12:30 PM
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Do the Police have an obligation to protect. NO
Here is an old article that should be re-posted for those who have not read it. It is a bit lengthy but worth the read. When will the new Sheriff realize her Deputies CANNOT defend the general public AND have no obligation to do so?
Most Americans are under the impression that the police are there to protect and serve them. That impression is wrong. In many cases, it can be dead wrong. Out of remote northwestern Alaska comes an interesting story of what happens when the police can’t respond. Susan Jones knew she had to leave her remote southeast Alaska village when she came home to find her husband clutching his loaded rifle. In his other hand, she said, was the crumpled restraining order she had filed against him a day earlier after he sent several bullets whining past her head. “He just had it bunched in his hand and it clearly didn’t mean anything at all,” Jones said. Many crime victims in rural Alaska face the same predicaments Jones faced as a victim of domestic abuse: weak law enforcement, lack of anonymity and no easy way to escape the state’s isolated bush communities. . . . Dangerous weather and the lack of a road network in rural Alaska can leave crime victims marooned for days. Most villages can be reached only by air or sometimes boat or snowmobile. . . . About three dozen of Alaska’s more than 200 bush villages have no law enforcement at all because of a lack of state or local funding. Those who stay in their villages after reporting a crime must wait for state troopers to catch a plane or helicopter from the nearest large community, a trip that can take hours or even days in blizzards or fog. “We could get a bad weather case and it could be days, in a worst-case scenario, before we could get out there,” said Lt. Rodney Dial, a deputy commander with the troopers. The lengthy response times often result in victims recanting their calls for help. Delays can also allow telltale wounds to heal or perpetrators to destroy crucial evidence. Even communities with small police departments or state-funded Village Public Safety Officers have difficulties helping victims. According to the Alaska Rural Justice and Law Enforcement Commission, village public safety officers are limited to protecting crime scenes until a trooper arrives. They are usually the only law enforcement presence in their village and are often local hires who are related to, or friends with, alleged perpetrators, and as a result are at times more reluctant to investigate crimes. They are also barred from carrying weapons. Because of the lack of patrols in the Alaskan bush, even the prospect of a victim obtaining a restraining order can be a deadly choice. Recalling her experience with her ex-husband, Jones said: “That piece of paper’s not bulletproof.” — Associated Press These people make the same mistake that a lot of people make: they assume that a criminal is going to suddenly start behaving because somebody wrote something on a piece of paper. Dial 911 and DieIn the lower 48, where virtually everything is much easier to get to, it’s often said that the police are never around when you need them. But even so, many people operate under the assumption that the police will be there when you call. For many, that mistake was deadly. And some of those who are dead wrong are dead because they have been duped by ignorant or dishonest politicians or police chiefs, who promise protection that they cannot give and have no legal duty to give. Some of these officials know they have no legal duty to protect the average person, and yet still support disarming law abiding people, the better “to protect” them from criminals! Front line police officers sometimes are verbally abused by victims of criminals who wrongly believe that police officers have a duty to protect the law abiding. These good citizens blame the police officer for not doing a job for which he/she has never been responsible: protecting the average person against criminals. . . . U.S. law is based on English Common Law. In English Common Law “the Sheriff” is a government employee whose main job is enforcement of government decisions: seizure of property, arrest of persons wanted by the authorities, collection of taxes, etc. Maintenance of public order, a secondary duty, was done to the extent resources allowed. It was obvious — 500 years ago in England and in America now — that a sheriff could not be everywhere at once. It was — and is — equally clear that to protect every person would require an army of Sheriffs (or Sheriffs deputies) [or The Assize of Arms, 1181 A.D., the Early Militia Law] Maintaining an Army of police officers — in effect a police state — would nullify the Freedoms set forth in the Bill of Rights. Neither the Framers of the Constitution — nor their successors — wanted to avoid the risk of harm to some individual arising from criminals’ activity by creating a police state that inevitably would harm every individual. Instead, the Framers provided for a judicial system to deal with criminals, persons who abused the Freedoms provided by the Constitution. The Framers assumed that a law abiding person would largely be responsible for his/her own safety. As a matter of Law, that assumption still is valid. . . . State and city governments — rather than the Federal authorities — are responsible for local law enforcement. So, only occasionally have Federal Courts ruled on the matter of police protection. However, in 1856 the U.S. Supreme Court declared that local law enforcement had no duty to protect a particular person, but only a general duty to enforce the laws. [South v. Maryland, 59 U.S. (How.) 396, 15 L.Ed., 433 (856)]. The Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution gives you no right to police protection. In 1982, the U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit, held that: “… there is no Constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen. It is monstrous if the state fails to protect its residents against such predators but it does not violate the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment or, we suppose, any other provision of the Constitution. The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: it tells the state to let the people alone; it does not require the federal government or the state to provide services, even so elementary a service as maintaining law and order.” [Bowers v. DeVito, U.S. Court of Appeals, 7th Circuit, 686F.2d 616 (1982). See also Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 471 F.Supp. 1262 (E.D.Pa. 1979)]. — Excerpted from Dial 911 and Die This excerpt also shows numerous examples of people who have relied on “police protection” and died as a result. The stark truth is, in an emergency, law enforcement may be unwilling or even unable to respond, and you have to be prepared to take care of yourself and your loved ones. And that may very well mean using a gun to defend yourself from a criminal intent on doing you harm.
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We all have the ability to choose our attitude that we will set forth each day with- be positive, be grateful, cherish your family! Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907. "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag.... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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09-06-2008, 12:33 PM
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Dial 911 and Die (part 2)
By the way watch this and tell me if it does not hit home
 The Real Gun Guys: Dial 911 and Die...redux
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We all have the ability to choose our attitude that we will set forth each day with- be positive, be grateful, cherish your family! Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907. "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag.... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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09-06-2008, 02:23 PM
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We all have the ability to choose our attitude that we will set forth each day with- be positive, be grateful, cherish your family! Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907. "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag.... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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09-06-2008, 04:19 PM
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Great video and audio here. Thanks protectmine
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09-09-2008, 11:26 PM
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09-16-2008, 11:06 AM
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crime down in 2007 - bet not in 2008 and 2009
Hmmm do you think crime was down maybe because Corona issued more CCW's and BG knew they just "might" run into someone willing to protect themselves. Bet they have less fear of that now.
Crime in O.C. mostly down in 2007, FBI stats show In O.C. and across the country, property and violent crime is down, according to statistics from the FBI. By SALVADOR HERNANDEZ The Orange County Register Both property and violent crimes decreased in Orange County last year, according to numbers released by authorities Monday, and although the FBI discourages any type of ranking, Irvine topped the list with the lowest crime rate for a city of its size - again. Even with an increase in both violent and property crimes reported last year, Irvine still held the lowest crime rate among the most populous Orange County cities in 2007, according to statistics released by the Federal Bureau of Investigation on Monday. With 143 violent crimes reported in 2007, Irvine held a crime rate of 7.4 per 10,000 residents, the lowest for any U.S. city with a population of at least 100,000, according to a statement released by the Irvine Police Department. And although an FBI disclaimer released along with the yearly numbers discourages ranking of any sort, stating that doing so leads to simplistic and incomplete analyses of the numbers, that didn't stop the city of Irvine from pointing out where it stood in the numbers. "Safest Big City in America Four Years in a Row," read a statement from the Irvine Police Department released the same day. Overall, the violent crime rate in Orange County measured at 27.6 crimes per 10,000 people in 2007, according to the numbers. In Santa Ana, the most populous city in the county, the violent crime rate dropped by 1.6 percent in 2007. Still, with 1,947 violent crimes reported, the city had a rate of 57.2 violent crimes per 10,000 residents, the highest in the county. The county seemed to be following a national trend of lower crime rates across the board. The total number of property crimes dropped by 1.4 percent in the country when compared to 2006, continuing a five-year trend, according to the statistics. Violent crimes reported also decreased from 2006, breaking a pattern of increasing violent offenses in the two years prior. Released annually by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the agency collects crime data from more than 17,700 city, county, college, state, tribal and federal agencies across the country, which patrol more than 94 percent of the population. Orange County cities reported 7,919 violent crimes in 2007 and 59,133 property crimes, according to the statistics. Anaheim, the second most populous city in the county, reported the most property crimes with 7,797. La Palma experienced the biggest increase in crime, according to the statistics, with a 106 percent increase in 2007 when compared to the previous years. In 2007, 36 aggravated assaults were reported, compared to 11 the previous year. Laguna Woods, with less than 20,000 residents, saw the largest drop in crime with a 70 percent drop in crimes reported. Aliso Viejo experienced the second best improvement with 18 percent less crimes than 2006.
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We all have the ability to choose our attitude that we will set forth each day with- be positive, be grateful, cherish your family! Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907. "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag.... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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09-16-2008, 02:07 PM
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The other thing is, how standardized is the reporting? Some places lump crimes in differently
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Last thing, I hope you haven't gotten comfortable and moved into the real Sheriff's office yet, you wont be here long enough. 
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