Only trying to follow the law? Bull Shiat!!!

[huna koa]

..I personally know of Judges/Prosecutors/Parole Officers who have been threatened with death by the perps they sent to the slammer. They carry 24/7 and practice/compete regularly to be ready to defend themselves and their families. I disagree with the new sheriff and I hope she can be persuaded to carefully review her policies that affect the rest of us. I don't live in OC but I'm concerned for all CCW's in California.

[Diamond Jim]

Posted.

[NSP]

I don't understand why Judges/Prosecutors/Parole Officers get CCW's free and clear. It's their job that puts them in this danger. If I tried to get a ccw just based on the fact that my job puts me in danger I'd get a rejection because if my job is high risk then my job is the one that needs to hire a security guard or use brinks to pick up our money every day.

Double standards do not sit well with me.

[libertarian]

Originally Posted by NSP

I don't understand why Judges/Prosecutors/Parole Officers get CCW's free and clear. It's their job that puts them in this danger. If I tried to get a ccw just based on the fact that my job puts me in danger I'd get a rejection because if my job is high risk then my job is the one that needs to hire a security guard or use brinks to pick up our money every day.

Double standards do not sit well with me.

Not to mention that judges and prosecutors work all day in court rooms that are POSTED with armed officers in buildings with metal detectors and more armed officers at the entrances. Wouldn't that tend to make them need a CCW *less*? After all, having a bailiff escort them to their car is certainly an "Alternative means" to ensure their safety, isn't it?

[Harry Carry]

Statistically judges are of no higher risk than the general population. Taxi drivers are more frequent victims of assault.

[EM2]

My opinion, it's not about the money of course, it's about control.
The Judges/Prosecutors/Parole Officers etc. get CCW's because of the power they wield, and the supervisors would like to keep the control of that power in as few hands as possible. If you allow people to defend themselves they may soon be asking why they need the bloated bureaucracy which is our government.
It is time to take back that power and vote out EVERY supervisor who put this ‘sheriff’ in power.
These people are telling everyone that they are better than you and deserve protection more than you and your families.
After all, the OC CCWs have shown that citizens can be trusted with their own defense so I see no other reason why this sheriff is taking that away other than a power grab.
Anyone who believes that politicians do not issue CCWs in order to protect the public are foolish and naive.

[EM2]

Originally Posted by Harry Carry

Statistically judges are of no higher risk than the general population. Taxi drivers are more frequent victims of assault.

Agreed
And statistically civilians are less likely to shoot the wrong person during an encounter than police officers.
Typically be the time a civilian needs to use his weapon in self defense he is intimately aware of the good guys and bad guys. A police officer arriving on scene still has to sort it all out and may draw down on the wrong guy.

[Turtle72]

How much voting and contributing power does this organization have,in deciding the outcome in the 2010 elections? Being working class, i am willing to donate $300 dollars, which is a tidy some for someone in my income level.
Also I directly influence 6 votes.

[Harry Carry]

Originally Posted by Turtle72

How much voting and contributing power does this organization have,in deciding the outcome in the 2010 elections? Being working class, i am willing to donate $300 dollars, which is a tidy some for someone in my income level.
Also I directly influence 6 votes.

A Political Action Committee website dedicated to this cause will launch in early September.

[RWMAGNUS]

Originally Posted by Harry Carry

A Political Action Committee website dedicated to this cause will launch in early September.

Facts are 1200 or so OC CCW holdes are in the minority but we can influence many more than that before the 2010 elections. It's a shame to go through this. I have never understood why this strikes such a deep nerve with people. Just like the articles have stated CCW holders have never caused a problem.

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by RWMAGNUS

Facts are 1200 or so OC CCW holdes are in the minority but we can influence many more than that before the 2010 elections. It's a shame to go through this. I have never understood why this strikes such a deep nerve with people. Just like the articles have stated CCW holders have never caused a problem.

Uh, you are forgetting one thing.

The vast majority of people in California assume they are unobtainable or don't exist.

I personally know DOZENS who would get CCW's if the state was Shall Issue.

Don't go after the 1200 CCW holders, that would be foolish...go after the 30+ Million who don't have CCWs...go after the hundreds of thousands who would like/need one, and then market their sphere of influence through them.

Surprise...CCW isn't much of an issue because it's not being MADE an issue. Yet.

MAKE IT ONE!

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by IAmASensFan

Uh, you are forgetting one thing.

The vast majority of people in California assume they are unobtainable or don't exist.

I personally know DOZENS who would get CCW's if the state was Shall Issue.

Don't go after the 1200 CCW holders, that would be foolish...go after the 30+ Million who don't have CCWs...go after the hundreds of thousands who would like/need one, and then market their sphere of influence through them.

Surprise...CCW isn't much of an issue because it's not being MADE an issue. Yet.

MAKE IT ONE!

And they know 10 people, and they know 10 people, and they know 10 people... To piss off 1000 or so CCW licensees and think it won't matter much in the elections is a big mistake.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by RWMAGNUS

Facts are 1200 or so OC CCW holdes are in the minority

Yes, but elections for Sheriff often turn on fewer votes than that (I believe Carona was elected on a smaller margin than that -- CCWI can confirm or correct me on that if I'm wrong).

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

And they know 10 people, and they know 10 people, and they know 10 people... To piss off 1000 or so CCW licensees and think it won't matter much in the elections is a big mistake.

Exactly my point, remember, loosing one voter alone is losing two points to your opponent. If each has two, and one goes to the other guy, you now have one, and he has 3.

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by THE Gimper

Yes, but elections for Sheriff often turn on fewer votes than that (I believe Carona was elected on a smaller margin than that -- CCWI can confirm or correct me on that if I'm wrong).

That is why we need a candidate, and aggressively market him/her.

Which may be why Hutchens broke with tradition and didn't fire/replace Anderson. Didn't want to risk being the catalyst to making him run in 2010.