Revoke / Recall letters to be mailed from OCSD

[sealbeach]

It seems like PSD sure got quiet for the last few days, while they digest the ramifications of the "new policy".

[Ken_In_Colo]

Originally Posted by hbliam

I think you are reading it wrong. It says that testing may be required. It then says additional testing shall be required only if there is compelling evidence. Two different things being talked about there...

The bold type above is mine, to call attention to my point.

And who gets to determine the compelling evidence? The Sheriff does. Just as the Sheriff gets to judge someone's good cause.

When the Sheriff addressed the question of CCW in Orange County the 'Dillow article' quoted her as saying “‘I probably will tighten it up a bit, but probably not as drastically as some people might assume." Then Dillow went on to say that she indicated [to him] that she envisions a higher threshold on the ‘good cause’ necessary for a citizen to have a CCW.

That's what is called 'talking out of both sides of your mouth'.

"Tighten up a bit"? "A higher threshold"? Those are some of the biggest understatements I've ever heard.

2010 can't get here fast enough can it?

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by Ken_In_Colo

The bold type above is mine, to call attention to my point.

And who gets to determine the compelling evidence? The Sheriff does. Just as the Sheriff gets to judge someone's good cause.

My point was the PC says testing can be a requirement from the get go. You implied that the OCSD was breaking the law by requiring any testing. They are not. They would only have to have compelling evidence to require the additional (above and beyond the first test).

[Ciderbite]

I know I will be receiving this letter from the temporary sheriff. I plan on getting a double picture frame and framing the revocation letter on one side and the newspaper article, that appears in the orange county register in 2010, anouncing her defeat on the other. I will look back on this and show my kids what we went through so they could have the right to carry. I also plan on giving it as a going away presnt to her when she leaves office.

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by Ciderbite

I know I will be receiving this letter from the temporary sheriff. I plan on getting a double picture frame and framing the revocation letter on one side and the newspaper article, that appears in the orange county register in 2010, anouncing her defeat on the other. I will look back on this and show my kids what we went through so they could have the right to carry. I also plan on giving it as a going away presnt to her when she leaves office.

[huna koa]

When I first considered getting a CCW permit a few years ago I heard that OC was CCW friendly and I was envious of those who lived there. I got my permit long before I joined this forum and now that the new sheriff is in town I hope that she's just playing politics or that she'll come to her senses before her term is done. I've always hated politicians because they have to soothe everybody and that's not possible at all; which is the exact opposite of the character of those who have what it takes to carry----it's cut and dried with very little wiggle room; it's black and white with very hazy grey area; it's tell it like it is or don't open your mouth---and like that!!!

[Gray Peterson]

It's time for you guys to stop hand wringing and start fighting. The first thing you need to realize that A) The only case that delt with CCW and property interest only had to do with the INITIAL application. You folks who are getting revoked not due to criminal acts and having your renewals not renewed need to stop whining and you need to pull your resources together to file a lawsuit using Roth and Heller to take down Sandra Hutchens policy.

[Harry Carry]

Originally Posted by Lonnie Wilson

It's time for you guys to stop hand wringing and start fighting. The first thing you need to realize that A) The only case that delt with CCW and property interest only had to do with the INITIAL application. You folks who are getting revoked not due to criminal acts and having your renewals not renewed need to stop whining and you need to pull your resources together to file a lawsuit using Roth and Heller to take down Sandra Hutchens policy.

There's more going on behind the scenes here than can be detailed. Just FYI.

[NSP]

Originally Posted by Lonnie Wilson

It's time for you guys to stop hand wringing and start fighting. The first thing you need to realize that A) The only case that delt with CCW and property interest only had to do with the INITIAL application. You folks who are getting revoked not due to criminal acts and having your renewals not renewed need to stop whining and you need to pull your resources together to file a lawsuit using Roth and Heller to take down Sandra Hutchens policy.

Be aware that we are not just sitting idly by.

[Gladiator]

Revocation letters are being sent out now. Looks like they are doing them alphabetically.

A CCW holder that has a OC CCW permit that expires over 10 months away got the letter yesterday. He has till mid October to supply more information for a good cause.

According to the letter he received, his current good cause does not meet the current NEW policy.

[Gladiator]

I'm looking at the original and typing this from that letter.

Orange County Voter
515 N. Flower St.
Orange CA. 927702

Dear Voter,

The Orange County Sheriff's Department has implemented new polices for the issuance and maintenance of Carry Concealed Weapons (CCW) Licenses issued to residents and business owners of the County of good and upstanding character who possess credible, significant, and substantiated cause to fear for their safety. CCW licenses will not be issued for political, social or other reasons.

The Department has conducted a review of current license holders to ensure their good cause and background meets new policy requirements. The Department has determined that your identified risk does not meet the good cause threshold as required under the new CCW policy based upon information you provided. As a result of this determination, the Department's present intention is to REVOKE your CCW license.

If you feel additional information should be considered before your CCW license is revoked, please respond in writing to Lieutenant Brent Giudice by October 17, 2008. Your correspondence should include all facts, details, circumstances and supporting information or documentation you with the Department to consider before taking REVOCATION action. The Department will notify you of its decision in writing.

If you license is REVOKED, you should be aware that state law allows you to carry a concealed weapon in your home or place of business.

Sincerely,
Dave Nighswonger, Captain
Professional Standard Division

[FiringLion]

Is the address and salutation actually to "voter," or is that your substitute for their personalized version?

Also the wording here:

Originally Posted by Gladiator

... to consider before taking REVOCATION action.

says a lot if it is an exact quote (e.g. not "further revocation action" or "any revocation action"): the implication resembles "there will be an absolutely impartial hearing at which your defense will be admitted, followed immediately by an execution."

[CCWInstructor]

I just called and asked. Voter is a generic term.

[PUNK]

Originally Posted by Gladiator

I'm looking at the original and typing this from that letter.

Orange County Voter
515 N. Flower St.
Orange CA. 927702

Dear Voter,

The Orange County Sheriff's Department has implemented new polices for the issuance and maintenance of Carry Concealed Weapons (CCW) Licenses issued to residents and business owners of the County of good and upstanding character who possess credible, significant, and substantiated cause to fear for their safety. CCW licenses will not be issued for political, social or other reasons.

The Department has conducted a review of current license holders to ensure their good cause and background meets new policy requirements. The Department has determined that your identified risk does not meet the good cause threshold as required under the new CCW policy based upon information you provided. As a result of this determination, the Department's present intention is to REVOKE your CCW license.

If you feel additional information should be considered before your CCW license is REVOKED, please respond in writing to Lieutenant Brent Giudice by October 17, 2008. Your correspondence should include all facts, details, circumstances and supporting information or documentation you with the Department to consider before taking REVOCATION action. The Department will notify you of its decision in writing.

If you license is REVOKED, you should be aware that state law allows you to carry a concealed weapon in your home or place of business.

Sincerely,
Dave Nighswonger, Captain
Professional Standard Division

This is just sick! As crappy as this sounds...I just hope everyone who receives these letters sticks around. The more people, the louder the voice!

[Gladiator]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

I just called and asked. Voter is a generic term.

Sorry,

I thought that was very clear. The address (OCSD) and the name (somebody who will not vote for her) was very clear.

The salutations are made up.