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Old 08-23-2008, 11:38 AM
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But what does that have to do with Orange County? His skill set is not needed down here. We have qualified people with the right skill set with the department. He has ZERO experience dealing with contract cities.

More importantly for those of us that personally know him. He is anti-ccw. This is a well known fact at his former agency.
+1 His contribution to his field is just that...........a contribution to his field. I'm not trying to take anything away from the mans carreer, but he just doesn't support the rights of others. Specifically non LEO types who want the same right as the rest of the citizens living in shall issue states. I said it here before and I will say it again...........You can always tell the moral compass of a man by the way he treats anothers right to self-defense.

To say that the temporary-sheriffs choice of management concerns me is an understatement.
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Old 08-23-2008, 05:31 PM
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I have stated many times and, I believe, very clearly made the same argument to the OC BOS, that John Scott, Michael R. Hillmann, and Sandra Hutchens were exceptional LA County Law Enforcement Officers.

They were, not only very good Law Enforcement Officers in LA County, but also contributed to the pervading attitudes and and culture that is now considered the norm in LA County.

They were a great fit for LA County, however, this does not mean they are a good fit for Orange County.

The very success they enjoyed and their ability to form the norms and culture of LA County Law Enforcement Administration is one of the primary reasons they are exhibiting the elitist attitudes and consistent opposition to those Orange County Programs that are so different from LA County.

I believe most of us recognized this possibilty very early. We all tried to give Sandra Hutchens the benefit of the doubt and let her prove herself. I do not believe any of us are surprised at what Sandra Hutchens has done as Appointed Orange County Sheriff.

What is most surprising and concerning to me, however, is the strong support she has from the BOS, in spite of the clear fact that it does not have the overwhelming support of Orange County Citizens.

John Scott, Michael R. Hillmann, and Sandra Hutchens are only doing what they have been trained to do and been successful at previously. They are not the problem, in my opinion, and I believe strongly that you all will deal with them in 2010, if not sooner.

In my opinion, the OC Board of Supervisors is the problem here. They have the ability to address your concerns, but have chosen to not do so.

Thanks again for all you are doing in Orange County.
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In my opinion, the OC Board of Supervisors is the problem here. They have the ability to address your concerns, but have chosen to not do so.
Exactly.
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Old 08-23-2008, 06:09 PM
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Old 08-23-2008, 10:39 PM
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But what does that have to do with Orange County?
I was justing posting up some info I had read on Hillman. Like I said, sounds like a good guy. Also sounds like the guy kind of leader that will raise the morale of the deputies that work there, which IS good for Orange County.

Concerning the CCW issue. Yeah, if he is anti CCW that of course is not good. But please show me a statement from him that supports that; not saying it's not true but would like to read it firsthand.

Regarding the "moral compass" statement, I call BS.
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Old 08-23-2008, 11:46 PM
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Operations runs by itself. He has 5 captains below him. His main job will be dealing with the contract cities.

I heard it from his mouth, good enough for me.
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Old 08-24-2008, 08:57 AM
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I was justing posting up some info I had read on Hillman. Like I said, sounds like a good guy. Also sounds like the guy kind of leader that will raise the morale of the deputies that work there, which IS good for Orange County.

Concerning the CCW issue. Yeah, if he is anti CCW that of course is not good. But please show me a statement from him that supports that; not saying it's not true but would like to read it firsthand.

Regarding the "moral compass" statement, I call BS.
By calling "BS" I'm sure your refering to Barbra Streisand . Don't believe me, wait and see ........... time will prove the point
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