Insult to Injury

[Justaguy]

Originally Posted by MrJoePublic

In order to actually obtain an updated current list from the County Recorders office you have to be current candidate so since there are no candidates running right now this information was obtained from a previous election.

I know this for a because I once ran for an elected office here in Orange County and still have the list of all the register voters information on CD.

Two thoughts:
One - The Registrar is breaking the law because voter registration records are a public record thus available for inspection or purchase by anyone.
Two - that same information is available from multiple commercial sources. I'm sure that as soon as you filed your papers, the flow of e-mail and ads started pitching these types of services...

[Justaguy]

Originally Posted by scottsman

I received one as well, although in my case, I believe they've transposed names and addresses. It has my address, but the wrong name.

?!?

(If you can put enough data points together...)

[DVSmith]

Originally Posted by Justaguy

?!?

(If you can put enough data points together...)

That implies a data entry error. It would not be from the registrar of voters files unless the same error appears on your sample ballot from the May 19 election.

Having been in the business of aggregating donor lists as well as prospective donor lists I will tell you that the most typical process is to purchase one or more lists from a brokers, merge them together eliminating duplicates and mailing them. If I were working on her campaign, I would be looking for lists of people identified as pro-law and order. That crosses nicely with pro 2a. So GOA and GOC lists, lists from magazines that have conservative subscriber bases. Older voters would also be an appropriate target.

[Quietpi]

Originally Posted by Justaguy

Two thoughts:
One - The Registrar is breaking the law because voter registration records are a public record thus available for inspection or purchase by anyone.
Two - that same information is available from multiple commercial sources. I'm sure that as soon as you filed your papers, the flow of e-mail and ads started pitching these types of services...

This used to be so, but no more. The only people who can obtain voter registration records are politicians, news media and LE. There may be another group, but I don't think so. The change took place somewhere around 20 years ago -- not sure of the date. I used to utilize voter registration records in my work, when I was a fed, not doing LE cases. We lost access while I was still a fed.

[Harry Carry]

Originally Posted by Quietpi

This used to be so, but no more. The only people who can obtain voter registration records are politicians, news media and LE. There may be another group, but I don't think so. The change took place somewhere around 20 years ago -- not sure of the date. I used to utilize voter registration records in my work, when I was a fed, not doing LE cases. We lost access while I was still a fed.

The political exemption to this restriction is big enough to drive a truck through. OCCCWS has had people obtain voter registration records for political purposes with no problem.

[Quietpi]

The political exemption is indeed that. But OCCCS is working in the political environment. And I don't doubt people lie all the time to gain that access. I don't recall what kind of "proof" is required. Politicians pretty much exempt themselves from all the imbecilic laws they force on the rest of us.

[Justaguy]

Originally Posted by Quietpi

This used to be so, but no more. The only people who can obtain voter registration records are politicians, news media and LE. There may be another group, but I don't think so. The change took place somewhere around 20 years ago -- not sure of the date. I used to utilize voter registration records in my work, when I was a fed, not doing LE cases. We lost access while I was still a fed.

I agree with Harry and use them regularly for one of my jobs.
Quietpi, if you wish further discussion of how I use them or how to access them, PM would be appropriate....

[Ken_In_Colo]

Early in my IT career, back in the mid 60's, I worked for a service bureau who just so happened to process all the property tax records (it was public information) for most of the counties in New Jersey. Back then, the data was kept on reels on mag tape.

One of my jobs was to write an entire mailing & donation system for the Republican party, using the property tax files. For years, the Republicans mailed out everything under the sun while the Democrats whined about it and wondered how & where the Republicans were getting their info.

When they finally found out about it, they tried to sue my company & the Republicans. The judge ordered us to make a raw list available to the DEMs but the DEMs wanted us to run our programs for them too. The judge denied that b/c the Republicans had actually paid us to develop the system for them and it belonged to them. It was one of the first intellectual property decisions for computer software in the country.

The owner of the service bureau was Webster Todd, former state Republican Chairman & the architect who built Rockefeller Center in NYC. He was also the father of former NJ Governor & Bush Cabinet member Christine Todd Whitman.

[MrJoePublic]

Originally Posted by Quietpi

The political exemption is indeed that. But OCCCS is working in the political environment. And I don't doubt people lie all the time to gain that access. I don't recall what kind of "proof" is required. Politicians pretty much exempt themselves from all the imbecilic laws they force on the rest of us.

The proof required is on file with Registrars office all the candidate needs to do is show his or her ID unless your an agent of a registered California political action committee which I have no idea on how to start. But to be a candidate you have to meet the requirements set by the open seat/office. For example to run Sheriff the county requires so many signatures collected by the candidate from County residents who are also registered voters to be eligible for placement on the ballot. Once you've met the other requirements not listed the signatures are then verified by the County Registrar and if the required signatures are in fact valid your name will be placed on the ballot and therefore making you eligible to obtain voter registration information. If anyone here plans on running for Chief Law Enforcement Officer for the County of Orange (A.K.A. Sheriff) send me a PM and I can give you more information... and possibly a vote.

[CCWInstructor]

I did not get one, I feel left out.

[TaxMan]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

I did not get one, I feel left out.

Nor did I.