Whitman in OC... with McCain - Page 4

**RomanDad** · #46 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RickD6023

The message is clear - it doesn't matter about the qualifications or qualities of the candidate - it only matters if you win or lose. Look where we are today.

And I propose we would have been even WORSE off had we had Governor Angelidas or Governor Kathleen Brown....

**PirateQueen** · #47 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutchman

A degree doesn't necessarily make one smart does it?

Now there is an understatement.

sholling · #48 (**permalink**) 05-18-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OCResident

I just don't understand why the Republican party continues to support RINO candidates. In the end, no one is happy, and I think this is a big reason the party is just plain missing the boat and alienating both independents and conservatives.

Michelle Malkin took an interesting look at the state of the California GOP.

Dutchman · #49 (**permalink**) 05-18-2009, 07:24 AM

Michelle Malkin is right on target. We can no more advance our views by abandoning them, than we can spend our way out of debt or tax our way into prosperity. It's the so called republicans that push for RINO's like McCain and Arnold that need to be thrown out of the party.

**1buba** · #50 (**permalink**) 05-18-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by OCResident

I just don't understand why the Republican party continues to support RINO candidates. In the end, no one is happy, and I think this is a big reason the party is just plain missing the boat and alienating both independents and conservatives.

It sure seems like they could have found a better candidate to support. It's hard to think of an example company that actually has worse service, red tape, and posturing (there's no fraud problem on eBay

) than some government agencies, but eBay is actually one of them.

Still, I suppose I'll have to hold my nose and do it - but under protest.

I think it is because the political spectrum is just that, a spectrum and most of the California GOP fall farther left on that spectrum than you and I would like.

On a bit of a side note...
It has always amazed me that the GOP has made any gains EVER in our nation. Of the two parties, you have one that is based up on standards and another that is basically the coalition of groups that want no standards. How can we compete against a party that is the equivalent of a bunch of kids in a candy shop where everything is charged to those who paid for the store?

Our biggest problem in the GOP right now is deciding what it means to have a "big tent". Reagan had a lot to say about it, but his opinion of a big tent was different than what it has come to mean today. If i can find the speech I'm thinking of I'll post it later.

Dutchman · #51 (**permalink**) 05-18-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 1buba

I think it is because the political spectrum is just that, a spectrum and most of the California GOP fall farther left on that spectrum than you and I would like.

On a bit of a side note...
It has always amazed me that the GOP has made any gains EVER in our nation. Of the two parties, you have one that is based up on standards and another that is basically the coalition of groups that want no standards. How can we compete against a party that is the equivalent of a bunch of kids in a candy shop where everything is charged to those who paid for the store?

Our biggest problem in the GOP right now is deciding what it means to have a "big tent". Reagan had a lot to say about it, but his opinion of a big tent was different than what it has come to mean today. If i can find the speech I'm thinking of I'll post it later.

Here is the link to the 1975 CPAC speech. 1975 CPAC Speech by Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA)

He is right. Those who do not subscribe to conservative principals: Let Them Go Their Way...indeed!

**swdr** · #52 (**permalink**) 05-18-2009, 11:12 AM

Trying to influence a Party by temporarily giving up your influence to 'send a message' just gives a bigger percentage win to the bozos who want to move the Party away from you. And they will point to that bigger win and call it 'momentum' in their direction.

The way to turn the Party in your direction is to stay within it and ally yourself with those who share more of your views than the bozos.

Oh, and don't give time and money to the Party until you've given it to your allies within it. Instead, give the Party leadership a message -- a Monopoly bill taped to a letter would likely do that job. Be sure to mention who you do support, not just what you don't like.

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Originally Posted by Reagan

Our task is to make them see that what we represent is identical to their own hopes and dreams of what America can and should be.

**THE Gimper** · #53 (**permalink**) 05-18-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 1buba

It has always amazed me that the GOP has made any gains EVER in our nation. Of the two parties, you have one that is based up on standards and another that is basically the coalition of groups that want no standards. How can we compete against a party that is the equivalent of a bunch of kids in a candy shop where everything is charged to those who paid for the store?

The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.
- P J O'Rourke

**1buba** · #54 (**permalink**) 05-18-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutchman

Here is the link to the 1975 CPAC speech. 1975 CPAC Speech by Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA)

He is right. Those who do not subscribe to conservative principals: Let Them Go Their Way...indeed!

Not the one i'm thinking of, but very good none the less!

Dutchman · #55 (**permalink**) 05-18-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by THE Gimper

The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.
- P J O'Rourke

Which book was your quote from? Sadly, there is truth to that quote.