Whitman in OC... with McCain

[NikNak]

As a one-issue voter ..... the Constitution .... i cannot vote for someone who as the CEO of E-Bay directly impacted my income with her approval of the restrictions on the internet sale of LEGAL items on E-Bay.

Yes, I understand that a company can choose to do business in any manner that it wishes, but the CEO's decision to ban certain items gives me a view into their mindset and political position.

The fact that she is joining John McCain does not give me the warm and fuzzies either ..... I could not bring myself to vote for him in 08 either.

[cksh8me]

I don't remember back far enough to when Moon Beam was Gov. but what is his stance on firearms?

I haven't heard much from him as AG sending the DOJ after our firearms or pimping for any new laws.

I'm not saying one way or the other I just don't know.

As for this gal RD is hot on. She'd be a "D" if there were enough room on the ticket.

It's a shame with all the firearm owners in CA we can't get enough of us to agree on a good person with a chance to win. Don't count on the Trap shooters they don't vote gun owner.

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by NikNak

The fact that she is joining John McCain does not give me the warm and fuzzies either ..... I could not bring myself to vote for him in 08 either.

And that turned out well for us.

[Dutchman]

RD, have you checked our Steve Poizner? I have no idea what his 2a stance is. However, he's been very successful in business and has made the promises that should tickle the ears of most conservatives when it comes to government getting off the backs of business and industry. As with Witman, the same problem of a corrupt legislature that can't be fired still exists.

Again, I believe that California may have already gone over the cliff economically and legislatively. Organized crime, in the form of public employee unions and eco-Nazi extortion groups, essentially have control of Sacramento. The only person I feel can actually take the bull by the horns and steer this den of thieves would be none other than Willie Brown (Satin himself)...I just don't think any of us here would like the direction he'd take us

Republicans in Ca have the same dilemma as is seen on the national level. Do you compromise your beliefs for the sake of swelling the ranks? Or do you boldly stand for your beliefs? The Democrats did NOT moderate their beliefs during the presidential election and were able to gin up their base and in turn won the election. The Republicans, in contrast, were tripping over themselves trying to be the most moderate. The result, much of the base stayed home. I held my nose and voted McCain, or more accurately against Obama/Communism.

In Arnold, we have given up our beliefs in order to get a liberal who simply chose to place an "R" behind his name. Having a liberal RINO in charge of a sinking ship has done great damage to the California Republican party. What to do? If I had that answer I wouldn't be considering leaving this state that I love.

[1buba]

Originally Posted by Dutchman

RD, have you checked our Steve Poizner? I have no idea what his 2a stance is. However, he's been very successful in business and has made the promises that should tickle the ears of most conservatives when it comes to government getting off the backs of business and industry. As with Witman, the same problem of a corrupt legislature that can't be fired still exists.

Again, I believe that California may have already gone over the cliff economically and legislatively. Organized crime, in the form of public employee unions and eco-Nazi extortion groups, essentially have control of Sacramento. The only person I feel can actually take the bull by the horns and steer this den of thieves would be none other than Willie Brown (Satin himself)...I just don't think any of us here would like the direction he'd take us

Republicans in Ca have the same dilemma as is seen on the national level. Do you compromise your beliefs for the sake of swelling the ranks? Or do you boldly stand for your beliefs? The Democrats did NOT moderate their beliefs during the presidential election and were able to gin up their base and in turn won the election. The Republicans, in contrast, were tripping over themselves trying to be the most moderate. The result, much of the base stayed home. I held my nose and voted McCain, or more accurately against Obama/Communism.

In Arnold, we have given up our beliefs in order to get a liberal who simply chose to place an "R" behind his name. Having a liberal RINO in charge of a sinking ship has done great damage to the California Republican party. What to do? If I had that answer I wouldn't be considering leaving this state that I love.

not wanted to start a P'ing contest, but that's not quite what we did with Arnold.

With Arnold, we gave up social conservatism to guarantee fiscal conservatism at a time we saw the hand writing on the wall for CA's budget. IMHO, that will always bite us in the butt. I went ahead and voted for Arnold to make sure we had SOME fiscal restraint in the office, but i kick myself everyday for it. McClintock was seen as a garaunteed loss. We'll never know for sure on that one. What we do know is - we held our collective nose, voted for Arnold and STILL LOST.

I've been reading a lot of 'conservative' opinions lately on the true conservative (in all issues) vs. the other type that believes in a part of the conservative platform but not all of it. I don't know if i'll change my voting pattern or not, but i'm leaning towards only voting for a true conservative from now on. The other type always end up making concessions that i just don't want to live with.

Just my 02.

[Dutchman]

Originally Posted by 1buba

not wanted to start a P'ing contest, but that's not quite what we did with Arnold.

With Arnold, we gave up social conservatism to guarantee fiscal conservatism at a time we saw the hand writing on the wall for CA's budget. IMHO, that will always bite us in the butt. I went ahead and voted for Arnold to make sure we had SOME fiscal restraint in the office, but i kick myself everyday for it. McClintock was seen as a garaunteed loss. We'll never know for sure on that one. What we do know is - we held our collective nose, voted for Arnold and STILL LOST.

I've been reading a lot of 'conservative' opinions lately on the true conservative (in all issues) vs. the other type that believes in a part of the conservative platform but not all of it. I don't know if i'll change my voting pattern or not, but i'm leaning towards only voting for a true conservative from now on. The other type always end up making concessions that i just don't want to live with.

Just my 02.

I don't think stating your opinion is starting a p-ing contest. I voted for McClintock and do not regret it. Arnold isn't even a fiscal conservative. BTW, I didn't even bring up social issues, other than the second amendment. Again, I don't see where you and I have much of a disagreement in terms of recognizing that conservatives have the dilemma I outlined above. BTW, as an aside, Pete Wilson was probably our last Gov who was able to walk the line of fiscal conservatism and social moderation. Will Poizner fit that type of mold, I do not know, Will Witman, I don't know.

[1buba]

Originally Posted by Dutchman

I don't think stating your opinion is starting a p-ing contest. I voted for McClintock and do not regret it. Arnold isn't even a fiscal conservative. BTW, I didn't even bring up social issues, other than the second amendment. Again, I don't see where you and I have much of a disagreement in terms of recognizing that conservatives have the dilemma I outlined above. BTW, as an aside, Pete Wilson was probably our last Gov who was able to walk the line of fiscal conservatism and social moderation. Will Poizner fit that type of mold, I do not know, Will Witman, I don't know.

My opening sentance wasn't clear - i didn't mean just with you.
I think you are correct that we are close on this. Probably the only differnce being I think Arnold was elected because he promised to be a businessman (fiscal concervative) as governor.

As a I side note, I was #83 on the original petition that was signed here in Sac to recall Davis. I still think that was an excellent idea. I also think that if Arnold starts doing the same (and he sounds like he is going to) we should attempt to recall him too. We should continue to do it until we elect a true statesman.

[PirateQueen]

As a side note a lot of twenty something people I talked to during the last state election said they voted for Arnold simply (are you sitting down) so they could have his signature on their diploma. Yes you read it correctly, so they could have his signature on their degree. With no regard for his policies.
wonders never cease to amaze me.

[spc]

Originally Posted by 1buba

My opening sentance wasn't clear - i didn't mean just with you.
I think you are correct that we are close on this. Probably the only differnce being I think Arnold was elected because he promised to be a businessman (fiscal concervative) as governor.

As a I side note, I was #83 on the original petition that was signed here in Sac to recall Davis. I still think that was an excellent idea. I also think that if Arnold starts doing the same (and he sounds like he is going to) we should attempt to recall him too. We should continue to do it until we elect a true statesman.

I think you have a great idea on recall if Arnold doesn't try harder to stand up to the legislature and their spending policies. Maybe we should start with the legislature and recalls as well. I just don't see how we can get enough of the population to come around to seeing straight.

spc

[Dutchman]

Originally Posted by PirateQueen

As a side note a lot of twenty something people I talked to during the last state election said they voted for Arnold simply (are you sitting down) so they could have his signature on their diploma. Yes you read it correctly, so they could have his signature on their degree. With no regard for his policies.
wonders never cease to amaze me.

A degree doesn't necessarily make one smart does it?

[Farrier-1]

I thought Arnold tried to cut back a lot of pork spending in the begining of his term but soon got knocked down by the Fire Dept, Police, Teachers Union etc etc???

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by Farrier-1

I thought Arnold tried to cut back a lot of pork spending in the begining of his term but soon got knocked down by the Fire Dept, Police, Teachers Union etc etc???

And turned out to be a "girlie-man."

[NikNak]

Originally Posted by Dutchman

Will Poizner fit that type of mold, I do not know, Will Witman, I don't know.

To take his quote out of context and hi-jack it to 2A issues versus the fiscal conserv vs social moderate discussion ....

+1

[OCResident]

I just don't understand why the Republican party continues to support RINO candidates. In the end, no one is happy, and I think this is a big reason the party is just plain missing the boat and alienating both independents and conservatives.

It sure seems like they could have found a better candidate to support. It's hard to think of an example company that actually has worse service, red tape, and posturing (there's no fraud problem on eBay ) than some government agencies, but eBay is actually one of them.

Still, I suppose I'll have to hold my nose and do it - but under protest.

[RickD6023]

The message is clear - it doesn't matter about the qualifications or qualities of the candidate - it only matters if you win or lose. Look where we are today.