[GunSlut]

I just finished Brunch with one of the people having a problem with his good cause from the instructor in question.

To say that OCSD policy is being broken and the spirit of the law is being violated, that is way to polite. SCAM is a better word.

Here are the details.

A shooter goes into to Turners the buy a gun. The salesman says "do you have a CCW" customer says "No" Salesman says "Well if you take this class you WILL get one here in OC" customer says "I thought they were hard to get" salesman says "not with our instructor telling you how to write your good cause" The customer signs up. I explain to the poor guy, the salesman just made a commission on up selling him the class. The customer had no idea that the salesman makes money on selling the class. He now understands that profit is the motive, a little late.

At this point we have somebody taking the class before being approved. This is in direct violation of OCSD policy and procedures. As you all know the OCSD policy states you take the training after being approved. The instructor also tell the whole class to use "Avid Shooter" and how to write it. This voilates the spirit of P.C. 12050. Each GC is personal.

The guy takes the class, FORTY people are in the class, only THREE have been approved for further processing. The rest including this guy haven't even filled out the application! Most pay 20.00 extra for a second gun added to the permit, some go for a third gun, more money again. The instructor also tries to sell hard the Utah and Florida ccw classes. 70.00 each. At this point I'm laughing, I explain to him that CCWI doesn't charge extra for a 2nd and 3rd gun, and Florida and Utah are included in CCWI's price. They guy gets real pissed. He realizes he just paid 200.00 more for something that is free from Greg.

He fills out his application, gathers all his documentation and does his interview. He is told by OCSD in his interview that this is not a valid good cause. They ask if he has any other reason, his answer is "NO".

He goes back to Turners, they assure him that he did something wrong, it's his fault. He has called the instructor several times, no return call. He then finally does a search on the Internet and runs across this thread. He PM's me and CCWI. CCWI tells him to contact the firm he paid his money too. He wants to meet with me to see what his options are. I pretty much tell him the same thing CCWI said.

At this point Turners had made their money, the instructor has made his money. This student of theirs is pissed at the sheriff and OCSD. I explained to him that OCSD is not at fault. His reply is the Sheriff Department is allowing this "approved vendor" to run this scam. I told him to contact PSD.